Posts by Mickey mouse

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Maybe

by 00DAD in

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for the agnostics amongst us!

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Yes

by minimus in

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What a shame - but fortunate for the org

by Mickey mouse in

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as referred to in this thread, ray franz's book crisis of conscience, arguably the most important book for ex jws to read - has been out of print for months but is available from amazon at $100+.. internet explorer, probably the most commonly used internet browser - is not compatible with this website.. most young jws probably access the internet via a smartphone but good luck trying to post to this website on one.. .

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Mickey mouse

That's why I seriously object to giving away free copies of his book in digital form. Aside from a lawsuit, you are cheating an old man's widow from income. PLEASE don't do it! Keep an eye on Amazon.

Amazon will print your book for you, sell it, and ship it with almost no intervention from you. I imagine that is what will happen when they run out of books. Cynthia still has lots from what I gather. So probably soon it will be back on Amazon for $29 or something, I don't know. $8 is not that much to pay for a book in digital form. You can find a reader free online... Adobe Reader should work.

Thanks for giving some of that background Randy. I wholeheartedly agree with the above; I personally bought both PDFs and hard copies of Ray's books, there are adantages to both. I am glad that although you and Ray may not have seen eye to eye on religious beliefs, you recognise the importance of Ray's book being available. I don't want to see Cynthia to be done out of income.

I guess my OP was a little provocative; it wasn't intended to be a criticism of Simon or whoever is managing Ray's affairs. I am glad it has provoked some discussion though.

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What a shame - but fortunate for the org

by Mickey mouse in

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as referred to in this thread, ray franz's book crisis of conscience, arguably the most important book for ex jws to read - has been out of print for months but is available from amazon at $100+.. internet explorer, probably the most commonly used internet browser - is not compatible with this website.. most young jws probably access the internet via a smartphone but good luck trying to post to this website on one.. .

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Mickey mouse

Update: Due to the recent passing of Commentary Press founder Raymond Franz, the Commentary Press eStore is temporarily suspending shipments of hardbound and softbound publications as we go through a restructuring.
In the meantime, downloadable PDF versions of select titles remain available for purchase through the eStore. Hardbound and softbound editions of many Commentary Press titles may continue to be purchased from a retailer such as Amazon.com

http://www.commentarypress.com/index-estore.html

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What a shame - but fortunate for the org

by Mickey mouse in

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as referred to in this thread, ray franz's book crisis of conscience, arguably the most important book for ex jws to read - has been out of print for months but is available from amazon at $100+.. internet explorer, probably the most commonly used internet browser - is not compatible with this website.. most young jws probably access the internet via a smartphone but good luck trying to post to this website on one.. .

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Mickey mouse

As referred to in this thread, Ray Franz's book Crisis of Conscience, arguably the most important book for ex JWs to read - has been out of print for months but is available from Amazon at $100+.

Internet explorer, probably the most commonly used internet browser - is not compatible with this website.

Most young JWs probably access the internet via a smartphone but good luck trying to post to this website on one.

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another new member.

by panhandlegirl in

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Mickey mouse

Hi and welcome. Try using Google Chrome or Firefox, this forum doesn't work with Internet Explorer 9.

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Can you take part in a very modern discussion?

by nicolaou in

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note to mods.

i guess this might break posting guideline 8 but it really is just a bit of fun.

pm me if you're concerned or don't understand what's going on.. nic'.

Mickey mouse

Nice.

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It CAN'T go on much longer

by jean-luc picard in

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so thats what my mum told me today.

i've learned to hold my tongue but i was thinking,.

"why can't it?

Mickey mouse

I think a lot of JWs wish for it because it will bring change to their unbearably pointless lives. They have spent their lives spreading a false message and wasted hours in meetings and assemblies. If armageddon doesn't come then all of this was a waste. Unthinkable!

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I have a problem any suggestions would be appreciated

by nugget in

this year will be my parents 50th wedding anniversary.

my mum is a jw my father is not.

my husband and i hade been df'd and i have 3 sisters.

Mickey mouse

Nic said:

All I can suggest is that you sit down with your Mum & Dad over a cup of tea and ask them how THEY would like to celebrate their 50th.

And you said:

I am thinking that it may be worth while paying for my parents to have a romantic dinner somewhere nice just the two of them on their anniversay and then hold an informal family gathering at the weekend.

These are the two thoughts I would go with. to you nugget, it's not an easy situation. x

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The Seat of Motivation : The fake JW heart

by snare&racket in

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i realised the other day how weird it is that jw's are taught that the heart and mind are seperate.

by enlarge the mind is satans world, its influence, your questions, doubts and unreliable thinking... all this takes place there, the heart is your seat of motivation, its what interacts with god when he opens it up, its where you talk to him from and where your good and bad motives arise (contradictory) but your heart cant be trusted (contradictory.).

either way, the jw's potray a seperation of heart and mind.

Mickey mouse

I agree with you 100%. This part especially:

Ok so now we go to the mind. Is your mind split in half? The mind AND a figurative heart? Of course it is not! I think this is a psychological ploy for control. For every doubt, fear, bad feeling, questioning, apostate website that passes through your thought process, they make you treat that as the worldly independant thinking in your "mind". The feeling of comradrie you get singing in an assembly (when you are a sucker for the sales pitch) , the feeling you get from placing a magazine, the love you have for your friends, the other JW's.. the prayers to god, the talks, your answers... these all come from "your heart." Whenever they refer to information as seeds, apostate seeds will 'plant in your mind' but the ministry work plants seeds in peoples 'hearts'.

What utter bullshit. I really dont think this is a small matter. The heart and mind is obviously the same entity, its YOU. They are just associating negative thoughts with the "mind" and positive with the made up "heart". I think this is intentional, a deep psychological tactic. It is also very, very damaging. YOu begin to have an inner dialogue, an inner turmoil. The heart v the mind. I remember it as a JW.

You end up not trusting your own mind, infact you are told to not lean upon your own understanding! But they know this doesnt really add up, so just to make sure and cover all the bases (been as its one entity) they reaffirm the heart is also treacherous... leaving people totally convinced they cant trust themselves, either in mind or heart and therefore hand over their minds to....... the financial discreet shareholders.

It makes me wonder of they have a much better understanding of psychology and thought reform than we give them credit for.